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 Post subject: "Ledge" style Gypsy Waggon in progress
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:28 pm 
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Harry Howarth from Clifton has had this project in the pipeline for about six years, and the dream for a lot longer!
It is a very extensive project to make a Ledge style gypsy waggon- properly.
A lot of the body timbers are really-well seasoned Spotted Gum.

The Ledge waggons were some of the most ornate and nicest-looking of the assorted styles.

The body is being and has been built by a fellow near Maleny. The carvings are and have been done by an expert in that field, in Toowoomba (and there are something over 1000 separate ornamental pieces that have been carved to date-that does not include any of the hundreds of butterfly-shaped chamfers on the body or undercarriage.
The carvings are mostly Australian Beechwood, but a few have been done in Spotted Gum, or in Crows Ash (never again!)

It has come to us in parts for painting & lining/striping, which will take quite some time.

Harry has had assorted brass ornamental and structural parts custom-made, by making the patterns himself and getting the items cast in brass. Other parts have been forged new from mild steel.
The axles were orignal old ones (Aussie) from a defunct German Waggon, and Harry mailed the boxes to a wheel builder in USA, as well as details of what he wanted, and the wheels, duly made & boxed up were returned, though they suffered a little damage in transit-(nothing major).

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This is what the end product will resemble, more or less:

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Hi Ian, here's a Dunton Ledge Waggon you may be able to use as a reference ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Thanks, Graham.
That green one on the post above your post actually isn't a Ledge waggon-my mistake- though there are similarities, it doesn't have the ledge...

I have a copy of that recently-printed limited-edition Gypsy Waggons book-it is good for photos of both tastefully-painted waggons, and a few garish ones too. (Unfortunately the text really could have done with a lot of proofreading before it went to print. They tend to run three or four sentences all into one sentence, repeat nouns a lot in the same one, and change ideas in it too. Many of those sentences would be better as different paragraphs.
Otherwise, it's really useful, pictorially.

A signwriter friend of mine in the midlands in UK (Terry Colley) painted this "pot cart" to the request of the owner. It was delivered to him in bare wood-he did everything else. The Ben Hur scene was based on a similar scene, seen in the roof of an original gypsy waggon, and was also based on a painting by one of the Old Masters in UK.

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(Over there they call some things 'carts' which we wouldn't over here. It'd be called a lorry or trolley here. A cart is a two-wheeler, downunder, with very rare exceptions)

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Bet that one NEVER sees a load put on it. :lol:

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That''s what I wondered!
Actually, Terry said there's a trend over there amongst some newer people to the gypsy horse/vehicle industry, to go fo all-out fanciness in a non-traditional manner, which is kind-of sad.

Those vehicles used to be very ornate anyway-the more ornate the more the gypsys liked them & the more prestigious they were, but I think there were still limits of practicality to much of it. That's why I was keen to borrow & study the old pictiures in that book-to get an idea of just how far they went, while still maintaining taste, before getting garish, and without cutting corners...

Anyway, there are over 1000 little pieces carved & needing to be fitted to the sides, here. We'll paint them all first.
The waggon itself is a whisker under 12 feet tall, and the shed here is only 10 feet to the gutters, so an excavation is in order very soon! The body is still up near Maleny at the moment, & parts of it are in Toowoomba getting more carvings done & a few bits are here: wheels, front & back undercarriage & assorted carved attachments.

With the big round flowery-looking carvings under the front porch roof, and against the floor, front & back, Harry is having a peacock put in there, instead of a scrolly flower, because of his interest in birds. Also there are about 257 little heraldic-like birds carved to go in all the panels around the body, inside the C-scrolls & between the leafy scrolls... (Andrew is up in the shed priming them at the moment!)

I give full marks to Harry for taking steps to want and to get it all 'just right' !

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Ian wrote:

That''s what I wondered!

That's why I was keen to borrow & study the old pictiures in that book-to get an idea of just how far they went, while still maintaining taste, before getting garish, and without cutting corners...



Ahh, what book is" this", you mention ?

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"Romany Relics"
It's big & heavy, & hardcovered.

Follow the link: http://www.romanyrelics.com/

It was a limited edition, restricted to 300 or 350 copies & I heard it had sold out fast.
One of the authors -Peter Ingram- was a fellow with a great reputation for restoring them.

I did see a copy of the book, in an online bookstore in UK, for 350 or 400 pounds!
The copy I have here beloongs to Harry.

Maybe the publishers still have a copy, but the expensive one I saw was being sold by them...
You might be lucky!

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Thanks for that Ian, nice book, eh.

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The latest update from Harry:
The window shutters are done:
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and some of the 1200 odd carvings:
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The wheels in undercoat stage:
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WOW!!!!!
such incredible detail! :shock: :shock: :shock: :D
look forward to the finished product, Ian, that pot cart is also extraordinary! :shock:
cant see any work being done with it though- far too speccy!
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What an amazing wagon that is, and the workmanship that is going into it too! How long does it take to build something like that from the ground up?


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Hi all,
I have stopped counting the hours( and money) in fear of giving myself an heart attack,but months and months.
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Hi Harry, how about a 'heads up' call, when ever you get it finished and rolled outside for a photo shoot of this magnificent vehicle.

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The latest updates-end of April:

Shafts:
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The 'cratch' (a kind-of rack that hinges off the back):
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Very nice, looks like a little dolls house :D

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OH WOW!!!! How stunning, just beautiful!!! Mum showed me some of these photos when they were e-mailed to her (Mary Phillips). Love your work, absolutely a credit to you...did I mention WOW...
Now, all you need is one of those hairy black and white cobs some of us are in the habit of keeping and breeding.
I'm just really gob smacked, once again, just beautiful.


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I saw these Reading and Ledge wagons on Dragon Driving and thought Harry might like a look.


This is an original Reading Wagon approx 100 years old. Has been horse drawn to Appleby Horse Fair and used in parades many times.
This is a very unique, rare wagon stored inside a building, solid and sound ready for use.
This wagon is for sale please call or email Richard for and further questions.
Price: £39,000

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Ledge Wagon for sale, built by Holts of Norfolk in 1912 and refurbished in 1988. With 12 and 14 spoke English pattern wheels in cream and lined in red.
The interior is highly decorated with scrolling fruit in gold leaf, patterned ceiling and etched mirrors with pretty stove.
Comes with steps and shafts lovely wagon, Don't miss out. For more details telephone.
To Fit: 15.2hh to 16.3hh
Price: £19,950 or very near offer
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Thanks for that GB I often go to that site I have made freinds with wagon restorers from that site great for all you gypsy fanciers.
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Some belated updates for Harry:

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Now that is a touch of "class", using the theme of the carved peacocks, to the scrolling on the face of the spokes.

Good choice.

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Thanks, Graham!

Here are some more photos-before & after of the two axlebeds, and the forecarriage (which the gypsys like to call the 'lock')

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This just shows some of the contorting & squeezing needed to get into the tight spaces that some of the lines have to be put.
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This is part of the back part which goes over the springs, and under the floor:
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It is looking amazing!!! Please tell me that it is staying here in Qld. One day i would love a photo of my gypsy gelding pulling it!!!

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Is your gypsy gelding broken in yet-and black & white in colour?
How tall will he be expected to be, roughly?

I daresay the waggon will remain based in Qld, 'forever'!

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Hi Ian...no not yet...he's only 9 months old. He is all black with 3 white socks and white blaze. He should get over the 15hh++ I also have a filly who is 12 months - bay and white who will mature in the high 14hh's but it is the boy that is going to be the big and solid one and I though would look impressive :D

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Going by the size of this, I reckon it'd really look better with something in the 16 hands area.

Do you know of anyone with the right sized horse, of GOOD conformation & action, black & white, that would suit this waggon? It would be the perfect advertisement for the breeder of the right horse- to have a horse you bred pulling this Ledge waggon. (I have seen a few mature aged ones advertised for sale, but their conformation hasn't always impressed me, personally, for the price.)

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doh....would it help if i made him a pair of stilts and got out the white paint :lol:

You would be looking at the drums rather than the gypsy's at that height. The only drums with age (that i know of) are Belinda's at Terror Creek but they are not black and white. Griff is Silver Black and Rocky is Blue/grey (i think) and Sky her mare is also blue/grey. They are all around the 16.3hh+ I believe.

Belinda is importing a solid bay gypsy cob who is 15.3hh which might be closer to the height mark but not the colour mark. She does have a black and white gypsy girl who is nice and solid but it think she is only 15.1hh(??). I believe Kelly from Dellifay Gypsy Cobs (on the gold coast) is importing a B&W mare who is high 15hh's. I cant think of any other SE Qld Cobs who are over the 15hh mark.

I will keep an eye out but as the drums are pretty new in Australia and Belinda has the only imported ones you would have to go a young one and wait for him/her to mature. I know Belinda's Sky is due to foal any day now. She was bred to an overseas gypsy stallion but i'm not sure what colour possibilities are for the foal. There are a fair few Clydies being bred to the cobs as well. As for good conformation....well you would HOPE that breeders are breeding for it but I think there are some out there that are more focused on other attributes :(

I agree it would be such great advertising for the breeders to have their horse be seen pulling a proper gypsy wagon. Sorry I cant really help much...but i cant wait to see the wagon being pulled by an amazing looking B&W hairy horse :D

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Hi Bernie,I would love to come and see your horses I come to Brissie a bit and you are welcome to look at wagon putting it together over next couple of weeks I think Ian asked the question because He knows I am looking for a horse without much luck at the moment. Harry

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Hi Harry - you are welcome any time to come and see them :D

I can understand the frustration with finding "the right" horse!!! Apart from taking years to save for mine it took ages to find my two as i had certain things (one big one being height especially in my gelding) that i wanted which were not negotiable. Hopefully with more and more gypsy's and drums being imported and bred the search will get easier but unfortunately you then have to wait until they mature. Also hopefully the price will start to come down (i cant believe i'm saying that as i one day plan to breed my filly :D)

Your wagon looks amazing and it deserves the perfect horse pulling it!!! Please do let me know when you are over this way and I look forward to the updates on the wagon :D And maybe one day when i save up again (and assuming you dont say "I'm never doing this again" :D) you can make a wagon for my boy :D I do believe these wonderful creatures deserve to be shown off doing what they are bred for :D

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Bernie, the thing about conformation is when someone takes a gypsy cob,
and crosses it with something that is not a gypsy cob,
but which might be a pure clydie, shire or percheron or even a stock horse,
or a part clydie x t-bred, or a percheron x arab, or Aust Draught x paint horse, or a Shire for instance, then you have the potential for a myriad of possible conformation variations in the offspring depending on which particular ancestor the parent cross threw back to, and how standard the conformation was in their ancestry. Not all will be ideally suited to a draught horse model, nor necessarily an ideal drum horse standard, either, though technically they could call more than likely themselves drums...

It also depends on the quality and closeness to ideal breed type of the mare being used. Plainer stock WILL tend to breed plainer stock-that's the law of averages. Top quality mares will tend to produce better types of offspring.

Of course, every breeder feels their mares are always 'top' quality! :wink:
That's the fun in the game...

In Harry's case, the horse would be best around the 16 hands mark I feel-no need for lankiness at all- but also with a compact deep body, and decent action and clean flat bone & joints. No roughness of hock, nor calf-knees nor pigeon toes nor sickle hocks etc. On top of that, there's the black & white hair colour needed to 'complete the ideal picture'. It needs to be a good active harness horse of the slightly weighty medium delivery style, but with gypsy markings.

(P.S. No offense is meant by that description of what is in my opinion, needed.)

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Thats right Bernie the horses are just not here so I am searching overseas at this moment theres more than one way to skin a cat

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Harry maybe this would be a good time for an overseas trip to check out what they have. Well it would be a good excuse for a holiday as well after all the work building this beautiful wagon. I can't wait to see it in action, both you and Ian have done an incredible job. I hope you find your perfect gypsy type horse soon.


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Hi Ian...I totally agree with you. You even find in the thoses horses who can be registered as full gypsy (for want of a better word) there is such variance in type. Some people like the smaller cobs and some (like me) like the taller more solid cobs. In Australia there is still a bit of debate as to what the breed standard should be. Unfortunatly some overseas breeders have bred for things like feather and colour and some cobs have lost the "tradidional" cob type and temperament. So as you say just crossing a gypsy with another horse really may not give you anything like what you are interested in.

The more I look into breeding the more complex it becomes.

I'm so glad that you are starting to look overseas Harry :D I cant wait to see what you find. There are some amazing horses out there and I cant wait to see the perfect one pulling your amazing waggon :D

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A few more pictures of the wheels & parts assembled, and a couple more 'contorted' striping photos !

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